Invitation to "Jack -in Exhibition to Economy", which rediscoses "ecosystem" through art (2)

――In the exhibition of the work this time, it is said that it is comparable to the process of “tea ceremony”. What is the intention?

Aoki: The tea room always comes with a garden called "open field".There is a process of going through the gates and going through the inner dew to the tea room after passing through the gates.

In the outer alley, with withering trees and seasonal trees are planted, it expresses the so -called world.On the other hand, the world of ghost from the inner dew.It seems that trees that are hard to wither, such as evergreen trees, are planted.The work is placed with the process of evolving, such as the process of going to such a tea room and the concept of Geosfia, Biosphere, and Knowasphere.

According to Vladimir's earth development stage, it is the order of Geosfia and Biosphere, but this time, in comparison with the process of the tea ceremony, starting with works related to living organisms and biosophia that symbolizes this world, gradually simple and simple Geo.I wanted to do it in the order of going into a spear work.However, it is composed with a gently overlapping overlap, rather than determining the order of a museum strictly.

―― Then we will ask you about your exhibition work.Could you tell us the concept and production process of Saito's exhibition work that will be exhibited first?

Saito: What I will exhibit this time is a work called "Unpredictable Filtration".This work installed outdoors is a filtration device consisting of natural objects collected in the garden, confining pebbles, sand and dead leaves in glass, and water pumped from the stream flows through the tube inside.increase.It plays a role in filtering water like activated carbon, and eventually returns to Ogawa.

"Unpredictable Filtration"

For example, in a situation like a survival, it seems that there is a way to filter water using the one picked up in that area when there is no filtration device, but it seems that the water may become dirty.。This work is the same, and it looks like a device that purifies water and returns to a stream, but on the contrary, bacteria and impurities may increase.The act of "filtering water", which you think is good, may cause tremendous pollution, and on the contrary, the breeding bacteria may increase the diversity of living things.It is a work that has such a two sense.

――It's a work that makes you feel the concept of this time, “nature” and “people”.

Saito: I was working on the theme of "boundary between artificial and natural things" and "boundary between life and non -life".I am also interested in the idea of nature protection, and there are ways to return to a natural state that humans are not in hand, but there is a limit to it.For example, in the United States, we consider the state before Westerners colonies as primeval nature, but in fact indigenous people have already reorganized nature.If you clarify the boundaries between humans and nature and try to protect nature, you will end up with the conclusion that humans should be extinct.

Recently, there are many opinions that human beings are also part of the ecosystem, and that the concept of gardening nature is good, such as controlling and returning places that have been harmful to the ecosystem or harmful.It is listed.I sympathize with the concept, and I feel that there is something that can be used to this exhibition concept.

Aoki: That's exactly the case with Satoyama.If left unattended as it is, it will be in a phase state and the diversity will decrease, and I think that the ecosystem can be maintained because there are humans.But at the same time, we should be aware that humans are living things that can easily modify nature.I think this work is a work that makes you think about that.

Mr. Saito respects not only as an artist but also as a researcher.However, it is very impressive that he is not a researcher and crosses various fields lightly.I have a bioscience, programming, and even the knowledge of philosophy and fashion, so I think Saito alone will be able to play a jack -in -in to the ecosystem (laughs).

――We's work is exhibited at the arbor in the back of the garden, but what kind of work is it?

Goto: "Rediscovery of Anima" to be exhibited this time is a work consisting only of natural products such as pumice, trees, and hemp strings.Originally, there are works made of wood, but this time we are exhibiting pumice.When a linear sunlight is applied to the hemp string, the movement of animals and people emerges, and there is no such tool in history, but it is a Paleolithic Swing Cave Painting in the Paleolithic era.I was inspired by the hypothesis that the idea of animation was already drawn, and it was produced as "a history that might have happened."I actually went to France to see the Shoe Cave (currently a private duplication and a full -size duplication nearby), but I was very impressed by the excellent observation and description of the ancient people.

"Rediscovery of Anima"

Originally, it has been produced with the current technology of 3D printers, but we will focus on the root of "movement", the sense of life felt when moving, and the physicality, so we dare to configure the materials and methods that have existed for a long time.I tried again.Actually, when the work was composed of natural materials that would have existed about 30,000 years ago, and when I hit the sunshine, I felt something like a temperature with movement, and I found a different discovery.It was there.This exhibition uses lights because sunlight cannot be used at night, but it is originally a work that does not have to use electricity at all.

Aoki: I'm a big fan of this work (laughs).I saw it for the first time when it was exhibited at Ars Electronica, but I thought it was perfect for this concept and called out.

I have the idea that I want to unravel something like a "fictional mechanism".I think there are some ambiguous things that everyone believes.It is possible that the existing technology was born in a different background.

If you think so, maybe tens of thousands of years ago, children were playing with pumice stone and hemp strings, and the concept of animation might have been born there.I think Goto's work makes me feel such a possibility.

――Kunimoto will exhibit a new work in the tea room this time. What kind of work is it?

Kunimoto: A few months ago, when I was in New York, I was making a work called "Suikoto Cave" as a motif of decorations installed in a Japanese garden.I have been with Aoki for 10 years, but when I reported my return to Japan, I said, "I'm glad if I can make such a work and exhibit in a Japanese garden or tea room.", I plan to exhibit it in a Japanese garden (laughs).I was surprised at the timing of returning to Japan.

"Shizuku -White # 1, # 2, # 3"

Kunimoto: The new work to be exhibited this time is an acoustic sculpture that makes the sound of the acrylic sphere filled with water and sounds the sound.When the water drops fall, the LED illuminates the ripples, and the fluctuation of the light emerges on the sphere.

The important thing in the production process was the mechanism of water droplets.In fact, it was three years ago that the sound of "Pu -chan", which drops water drops, was scattered three years ago, and it was very recent.Until now, it was thought that the sound would sound the moment the water drops hit the surface of the water, but to be precise, the small bubbles made of the shock hitting the water were shaken by shaking.It seems that that is the true nature of "Pu -chan".

The sound of water drops changes the quality and length of the pitch, volume, and response depending on the size of the water drops, the height of dropping, or the condition of the water surface.Among them, it is a work that repeated engineering while exploring "what is water drops that seem to be rich as sensitivity".

Aoki: The dedicated attitude of pursuing one work seems to be Mr. Kunimoto.When I met for the first time, I was impressed by the fact that I was sincerely and hot.And it has high technical skills that can create works from devices.There are not many such people.I think he is one of the artists who embodies the era of "technology is no longer a brush."

Kunimoto's work is a very Japanese work among the works on display.Japanese gardens and tea hot water are cultural crystals born from this country.Looking at this work in this place may be able to recognize and be proud of your identity.I'm glad if you can connect to that.

Kunimoto's work sketch on display this time

――When participating in this exhibition, please tell us what you feel and expect.

Goto: This exhibition is a major feature that it is held in a Japanese garden instead of a white cube like a museum, and the Japanese garden at night.I wonder if there are some works on display that blend in the surrounding environment, and some works that make you feel different.I am looking forward to how people who jacked in such a wide variety of works in a Japanese garden.

Kunimoto: I think that the culture of the tea ceremony is a crystal of Japan's aesthetics, and there is an expression called "Yamai in the city" in that culture.This is a culture by bringing a space where you can feel the atmosphere of satoyama, which is an advanced and global city at the time of Sakai, Osaka, where the tea culture was born.That means recognizing and reconstructing.I think it will be a great hint in the modern era when technology has evolved, globalization evolves, and social distortions are being revealed.I hope that such a thing can be expressed through this Japanese garden in the city.

Saito: At the exhibition, the artists share the same concept and create works with a completely different approach, so it is an idea of others that will never be born just by thinking alone at home.You can touch it.This time, I think that you will surely come across a way of thinking that you can not imagine how you interpret the special space of Japanese garden and tea ceremony.I'm really looking forward to it because it will always affect my future work.

――In the end, Mr. Aoki, please tell us your thoughts for the event again.

Aoki: It is an exhibition that wants you to find a new way of thinking and perception of the ecosystem, but for example, a bats that are looking at the world with ultrasonic waves instead of eyes, and live by relying on vision and hearing.To understand the world of living things so that you can not understand, you will not know unless you have the perception of the creature.

That's why we have to approach in each understanding of each way, but if you change the approach and ideas of the approach to touching art in this Japanese garden and tea room, the way you approach it will make you look different.I think it should be born.I would be grateful if each one who visited would be an exhibition where each of the visits could be brought home.

Also, I'm glad if this exhibition triggered a new talent.I think that high school students who come to see with their families and think about their lives will change their consciousness just to make them feel "somehow interesting".I hope it will lead to such things.

Sentence: Miyu Muroi (PLAYCE) Photo: Kaori Nishida interview / edit: Toshihiro Horai (JDN)

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